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Ask the Spud: Combining e-Series Funds and ETFs

2017-12-02T21:20:05+00:00December 6th, 2012|Categories: Ask the Spud, Discount brokers, ETFs, Index funds|Tags: , |105 Comments

I use the Global Couch Potato with e-Series funds in my TD Waterhouse account, but I eventually want to use the Complete Couch Potato. Once my portfolio gets to $50,000 and I qualify for $9.95 trading commissions, should I move everything to ETFs? — Mark V.

If you’re a client of any other brokerage, it makes sense to use ETFs to build the Complete Couch Potato portfolio. But with TD Waterhouse you have the unique opportunity to combine the e-Series mutual funds and ETFs in the same account. For five-figure portfolios (and perhaps even much larger accounts) a hybrid approach is likely to make more sense than using all ETFs.

The Complete Couch Potato has three asset classes that are absent in the Global Couch Potato: real estate, real-return bonds, and emerging markets. There are no e-Series funds for these asset classes, nor are there low-cost index funds from other providers. But that doesn’t mean you can’t create a hybrid portfolio of e-Series funds and ETFs. It would look something like this:

Asset class  % Fund name (ticker) MER
Canadian equity 20% TD Canadian Index – e (TDB900) 0.33%
US equity 15% TD US Index – e (TDB902) 0.35%
International equity 10% TD International Index – e (TDB911) 0.50%
Emerging markets equity 5% Vanguard MSCI Emerging Markets  (VEE) 0.55%
Real estate 10% BMO Equal Weight REITs (ZRE) 0.62%
Real return bonds 10% iShares DEX Real Return Bond (XRB) 0.39%
Canadian bonds 30% TD Canadian Bond Index – e (TDB909) 0.51%
100% 0.45%

A few words of explanation. Vanguard Total International Stock (VXUS), which makes up 15% of the Complete Couch Potato, includes both developed and emerging markets. TD International Index Fund (TDB911), however, includes only the former. So to keep the asset mix close you can use the TD fund for 10% and an emerging markets ETF for the other 5%. I’ve suggested Vanguard MSCI Emerging Markets (VEE) here because it’s the cheapest available on the TSX. The US-listed version has a much lower MER, but an investor with such a small allocation will find it more efficient to trade in Canadian dollars and pay the higher annual fee.

To reduce ETFs commissions further, you might even substitute the PH&N Inflation-Linked Bond Fund (PHN650) for XRB. While this is not an index fund, its MER is just 0.55% and there isn’t a whole lot of active management going on: the Canadian government has issued only six real-return bonds and these make up the lion’s share of every fund in this asset class. Over the last three years the PH&N fund has lagged XRB only slightly. And again, in a small account ETF commissions would likely overwhelm that small difference.

Tallying the costs

The MER of the hybrid portfolio is just 0.16% more than the all-ETF Complete Couch Potato. On a $50,000 portfolio that works out to $80 a year. But it should save you more than that in trading commissions, bid-ask spreads, and currency conversion costs. It will also be far more convenient, since the mutual funds allow you to make preauthorized contributions and all the distributions are reinvested automatically.

As your portfolio grows much larger you can gradually phase out the e-Series funds, starting with those that have the largest price difference compared with ETFs. TD Canadian Bond Index (TDB909) should be the first to go: it has the largest allocation in the portfolio and iShares DEX Universe Bond (XBB) has a fee 0.19% lower. The comparable Vanguard Canadian Aggregate Bond (VAB) would knock off a further 10 basis points.

The larger the portfolio, the greater the advantage of using all ETFs. But you shouldn’t be in a huge rush to get there, especially if you have the opportunity to use the lowest-cost index mutual funds in Canada.


  1. Canadian Couch Potato October 12, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @Sebastien: F-Series funds (with a few exceptions) are not available through discount brokerages. They are only sold be fee-based advisors, who then add their own fee on top of the MER.

  2. Amus December 20, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    Hey there
    I’m a newbie investor living in b.c who likes simplicity , and I’m currently trying to decide weather to go with td eseries index funds or etf’s through virtual brokers who offer free purchase of etfs. It seems like e series funds would be way easier and would accommodate my monthly investing style/ while also providing me with technical support from td. Etfs from virtual brokers would be cheaper but a bit more involved and not as simple at least that’s what I’m gathering.

    Are e series funds still a good option considering that etfs can be purchased free from many discount brokerages now?

  3. Canadian Couch Potato December 21, 2015 at 8:21 am

    @Amus: I would tend to agree that e-Series funds are more appropriate. This may help:

  4. Xin September 13, 2017 at 10:36 am

    Has there been a comparison done on how well the TD e series MFs actually track their respective indices compared with ETFs? Looking at the returns of their S&p 500 fund for example (TDB 902), the last 5 years it’s total returns has lagged the index by 0.5-1.0%. Let’s say 0.75% on avg for arguements sake. Add 0.35% MER and you get a 1.1% cost compared to the index alone.

    Contrast that to Vanguard’s VFV, where it tracks the index to within 0.45% since inception in 2013. Add 0.08% MER and you get a total cost of 0.51%, which is half of the TD fund (looks beyond the tolerance of statistical noise to me)! Obviously commission costs are a difference maker, but just wanted to get your thoughts on the quality of different ETFs tracking the same index?

  5. Canadian Couch Potato September 13, 2017 at 11:58 am

    @Xin: The MER of a fund is already factored into its performance, so you do not have to add it when measuring tracking error. With that in mind, you should expect a US index fund to lag its benchmark by its MER + the expected % paid in foreign withholding taxes. Assuming a yield of 2% on the S&P 500 and a withholding tax rates of 15%, that’s another 30 basis points. So if the TD fund is lagging by 0.75% on average that is almost exactly what you would expect.

    An ETF with a much lower fee can obviously be expected to outperform by an amount equal to the difference. Again, an average of 0.45% seems very close, given the fee of 0.08% and the 30 bps in estimated tax drag.

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