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		<title>By: ABC</title>
		<link>http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2010/05/14/tips-for-trading-etfs/comment-page-1/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>ABC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to a comment above the CCP writes, on August 8, 2010, 10:24 pm:

&quot;Only previous days’ closing NAVs are available on the ETF providers’ websites. Discount brokerages will only show the market price. So during the day there is no way that I know of to compare the two simultaneously.&quot;

I called iShares and the fellow I talked to explained that the NAV is only established at the end of the trading day. So indeed it does not seem possible to compare the NAV with the trading value in an on-going manner while the ETF is trading.

However TD Waterhouse WebBroker makes some info available to the general public which may be useful to investors. When looking for information on a specific ETF you can find: the latest NAV available, also the trading premium or discount based on the previous day closing price.

See an example with XIC inside the Market and Research section by simply entering XIC in the upper right window under &quot;Symbol Lookup&quot; at:
https://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/markets/index.jsp?referer=https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/markets/index.jsp

Here&#039;s some info that was available on the date I looked it up:

XIC:

Holding Details
Total Net Assets        $1.1B
Shares Out.     55.4M
Net Asset Value (NAV)   $18.49
Prem/Discount to NAV    -0.03%
P/E Ratio       17.0
Dividend Yield  2.46%
Div/Share       $0.46
Expected Div Date       06/25/2010
Next Dividend Payment Date      09/25/2010
Beta    0.97

It shows the previous closing price in the horizontal portion of the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to a comment above the CCP writes, on August 8, 2010, 10:24 pm:</p>
<p>&#8220;Only previous days’ closing NAVs are available on the ETF providers’ websites. Discount brokerages will only show the market price. So during the day there is no way that I know of to compare the two simultaneously.&#8221;</p>
<p>I called iShares and the fellow I talked to explained that the NAV is only established at the end of the trading day. So indeed it does not seem possible to compare the NAV with the trading value in an on-going manner while the ETF is trading.</p>
<p>However TD Waterhouse WebBroker makes some info available to the general public which may be useful to investors. When looking for information on a specific ETF you can find: the latest NAV available, also the trading premium or discount based on the previous day closing price.</p>
<p>See an example with XIC inside the Market and Research section by simply entering XIC in the upper right window under &#8220;Symbol Lookup&#8221; at:<br />
<a href="https://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/markets/index.jsp?referer=https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/markets/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">https://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/markets/index.jsp?referer=https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/markets/index.jsp</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some info that was available on the date I looked it up:</p>
<p>XIC:</p>
<p>Holding Details<br />
Total Net Assets        $1.1B<br />
Shares Out.     55.4M<br />
Net Asset Value (NAV)   $18.49<br />
Prem/Discount to NAV    -0.03%<br />
P/E Ratio       17.0<br />
Dividend Yield  2.46%<br />
Div/Share       $0.46<br />
Expected Div Date       06/25/2010<br />
Next Dividend Payment Date      09/25/2010<br />
Beta    0.97</p>
<p>It shows the previous closing price in the horizontal portion of the screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2010/05/14/tips-for-trading-etfs/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Canadian Couch Potato

Thanks for the information!  That helps a lot.  Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Canadian Couch Potato</p>
<p>Thanks for the information!  That helps a lot.  Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions.</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Couch Potato</title>
		<link>http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2010/05/14/tips-for-trading-etfs/comment-page-1/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Couch Potato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 02:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason: Great questions. Only previous days&#039; closing NAVs are available on the ETF providers&#039; websites. Discount brokerages will only show the market price. So during the day there is no way that I know of to compare the two simultaneously.

However, the important point here is that if you&#039;re thinking about buying a specific ETF, you should watch the website for several days and see how closely its market price is to its NAV over several days or weeks. (Both Claymore and iShares have NAV histories on their sites.) In big well-run ETFs, the difference will rarely be more than a cent or two. But thinly-traded ETFs sometimes trade at substantial premiums for days on end. If that&#039;s the case, you might consider using a limit order or just finding another ETF that is more liquid. 

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason: Great questions. Only previous days&#8217; closing NAVs are available on the ETF providers&#8217; websites. Discount brokerages will only show the market price. So during the day there is no way that I know of to compare the two simultaneously.</p>
<p>However, the important point here is that if you&#8217;re thinking about buying a specific ETF, you should watch the website for several days and see how closely its market price is to its NAV over several days or weeks. (Both Claymore and iShares have NAV histories on their sites.) In big well-run ETFs, the difference will rarely be more than a cent or two. But thinly-traded ETFs sometimes trade at substantial premiums for days on end. If that&#8217;s the case, you might consider using a limit order or just finding another ETF that is more liquid. </p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, once again thank you for all your information.  I have a question with regards to purchasing ETFs.  A lot of the site is dedicated to buying ETFs and I am hoping to make my transition to these from mutual funds in the future.  However I have no experience buying stocks.  This article really caught my eye because I had never taken into account that there will be special considerations when purchasing the ETFs (and I probably should have realized this since I know you buy and sell them like a stock!).

For example I see from your post here that purchasing close to the &quot;NAV&quot; is a good idea.  Could you help me break it down on how one would proceed to buy an ETF based on this?  Is the NAV value only on the ETF providers website or can it be found in the research area of a discount brokerage?  Does one look up this value for the previous day, then put in a buy limit based on this value?  For simplicity, do you just put the buy limit as the NAV or do you try to get the price lower by putting the buy limit a bit lower?

I found this PDF from ishares; but it may have made things even more complex in my mind :)

http://us.ishares.com/content/stream.jsp?url=/content/en_us/repository/resource/valuation_terms.pdf&amp;mimeType=application/pdf

Thanks a lot,
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, once again thank you for all your information.  I have a question with regards to purchasing ETFs.  A lot of the site is dedicated to buying ETFs and I am hoping to make my transition to these from mutual funds in the future.  However I have no experience buying stocks.  This article really caught my eye because I had never taken into account that there will be special considerations when purchasing the ETFs (and I probably should have realized this since I know you buy and sell them like a stock!).</p>
<p>For example I see from your post here that purchasing close to the &#8220;NAV&#8221; is a good idea.  Could you help me break it down on how one would proceed to buy an ETF based on this?  Is the NAV value only on the ETF providers website or can it be found in the research area of a discount brokerage?  Does one look up this value for the previous day, then put in a buy limit based on this value?  For simplicity, do you just put the buy limit as the NAV or do you try to get the price lower by putting the buy limit a bit lower?</p>
<p>I found this PDF from ishares; but it may have made things even more complex in my mind <img src='http://canadiancouchpotato.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://us.ishares.com/content/stream.jsp?url=/content/en_us/repository/resource/valuation_terms.pdf&#038;mimeType=application/pdf" rel="nofollow">http://us.ishares.com/content/stream.jsp?url=/content/en_us/repository/resource/valuation_terms.pdf&#038;mimeType=application/pdf</a></p>
<p>Thanks a lot,<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Couch Potato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Couch Potato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NeoCyber: Stop limit orders would prevent complete catastrophe, but on May 6 they would still have locked in losses that corrected themselves in minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeoCyber: Stop limit orders would prevent complete catastrophe, but on May 6 they would still have locked in losses that corrected themselves in minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoCyber</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoCyber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

If I may add, you can perform stop losses &#039;with limit&#039;.  So in other words, &quot;if the share price drops to $10, create a market sell order at $10&quot;

A regular stop loss becomes &quot;if the share price drops to $10, sell at market&quot;

At least two discount brokerages I know of have this option...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>If I may add, you can perform stop losses &#8216;with limit&#8217;.  So in other words, &#8220;if the share price drops to $10, create a market sell order at $10&#8243;</p>
<p>A regular stop loss becomes &#8220;if the share price drops to $10, sell at market&#8221;</p>
<p>At least two discount brokerages I know of have this option&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: RDSP Week</title>
		<link>http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2010/05/14/tips-for-trading-etfs/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: RDSP Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 06:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] onto his dandelions from his second story window, or he would not have been able to write his Tips for Trading ETFs, while they have not threatened their readers, they have shamelessly asked for votes on the G&amp;M [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] onto his dandelions from his second story window, or he would not have been able to write his Tips for Trading ETFs, while they have not threatened their readers, they have shamelessly asked for votes on the G&amp;M [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop loss orders are especially scary for ETF investors. If an investor had put a stop loss on VTI, it may have been sold at 50% below (or worse, though some of the egregious trades were reversed) the day&#039;s closing price. VTI more or less bounced back in an hour or two but an investor who sold is looking at a huge capital loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop loss orders are especially scary for ETF investors. If an investor had put a stop loss on VTI, it may have been sold at 50% below (or worse, though some of the egregious trades were reversed) the day&#8217;s closing price. VTI more or less bounced back in an hour or two but an investor who sold is looking at a huge capital loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Week in Review &#8211; March 8 &#8211; 14 &#187; 1stmilliondollar.net - A financial journey to our first million dollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Week in Review &#8211; March 8 &#8211; 14 &#187; 1stmilliondollar.net - A financial journey to our first million dollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Canadian Couch Potato had some tips of trading ETFs, especially when we had “technical glitch” like what we had recently in May 6 where Dow Jones dropped almost 1,000 points in about 15 minutes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Canadian Couch Potato had some tips of trading ETFs, especially when we had “technical glitch” like what we had recently in May 6 where Dow Jones dropped almost 1,000 points in about 15 minutes. [...]</p>
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